Fellowship of Old Friends

The Pyramid System


Each raid will have it's own seperate DKP points pool, only points from the Raid specific pool can be used during that raid.

As all raids will be seperate pool, points allocation for all of the raids can be the same.

Points allocation as follows:

2pts for being part of the raid team.
2pts for each boss killed.
1pt for being on stand-by and available (for the entire raid session).
1pt (max) for any unsuccessfully boss attempts (Ignored if boss is killed.

Using points
Step 1: The player with the highest number of raid pool points in the Raid, gets to decide to take the current prize or not. If they use thier points and take the prize, their total is set back to zero.

Step 2: If there are 2 or more players who want prize item and share the same highest points value, they roll off, highest wins and gets to decide what to do.


Prize Options

1) An Armour Gem & 1 LI Coin.

2) Any drop that a Raider wishes to use their points on.


Any additional LI coins will be rolled for by the rest of the members of the raid.



Points are earned per player (not character).

Points are non-transferrable in any way. (Not between raid pools or players).

Points earned during the current raid session cannot be used during the current raid session.

The removal of DKP points from players may be used to enforce the Alliance Raid Rules.


Prize Value Cap

Regardless of the number of points you have, the maximum spend cost for any prize is currently 20 points.

The prize cap may vary from different raid instances, depending on difficulty and success rates.


The Pyramid System is constantly being reassesed, so may change. Please check back on this thread frequently to keep upto date.

Expeditionary Raid

Points allocation for new raids will be done using a flat 5 points for that session's raiding regardless of how far the group gets. This is reward for the the amount of time, effort and repair bills likely to be incurred whilst the Alliance is getting used to the new content.

Once the alliance is confortable with the content, normal points allocation will come into effect.

Symbol of Celebrimbor

Instead of the standard use of DKP points, we will be using the following method to roll for the Symbol of Celebrimbor.


Generally, when rolling for loot, each player will type /roll and the game with give them a random value between 1 - 100. The highest being the winner.

The players with accrued DKP pts can (before rolling) decide to add some or upto 50 of their points to their roll, to increase their odds of winning the roll.


Example: We've been lucky and it dropped!! Everyone is about to roll for the Symbol of Celebrimbor.

The following RIS pts have been accrued:
Player 1 0
player 2 10
player 3 20
Player 4 30


Player 1 rolls normally, as he does not have any DKP pts.
Player 1 rolls: 72 + 0 DKP = 72.

Player 2 Is not too bothered. He'll save his points for later.
Player 2 rolls: 65 + 0 DKP = 65.

Player 3 decides he really wants the symbol and will add all his DKP pts to his roll.
Player 3 rolls: 59 + 20 DKP = 79.

Player 4 wants the symbol, but is not desperate to get it. He spends 10 RIS pts, saving 20 for later.
Player 4 rolls: 65 + 10 = 75.

Player 3 wins the Symbol with a Total score of 79 and his DKP pts total is set back to 0.
Note: Only points used to influence the roll, will be deducted from the players total. So in the example above, if player 4 had won the roll, only 10 pts would be deducted from his DKP pts total.
All other players who used DKP pts to influence their roll total, get them back to try again next time.

All standard Alliance Loot Rules still apply.

Could 1dkp point maybe count for 2 or 3 up on roll? It would mean you spend a shitload of points to win a symbol.. Think it will be a normal /roll without dkp points, because it costs alot of points for a slightly higher roll

That's the choice each player needs to make.....


Do you risk adding alot of points to the roll to try and win the symbol, or do you save them? Personally I'd would be happy to spend all of my points to get a symbol, but I'm well aware that most wouldn't.....



You'll find that within the raid setting, that just adding the amount of points each person has allocated to their roll will be confusing enough......


Don't forget it's going to be 12 rolls, with x number of people adding DKP points, if we add the extra element of 1 dkp = x number to add to roll.....

Trust me, we'll regret it....

Just to show you what I mean....


This is the sort of thing you'll see in Raid Chat.....See how long it takes you to work out who won this one

Raid Leader: Ok, if ya want to use DKP points to add to you roll for the Symbol of Celebrimbor, type your allocation now.
Raider 1: 10
Raider 9: 14
Raider 6: 18
Raider 4: 45
Raider 11: 9
Raider 8: 15
Raider 5: 16
Raider 10: 8
Raider 2: 42
Raider 7: 30
Raider 3: 16
Raid Leader: 20
Raid Leader: Ok, everybody roll now.
Raider 3 rolled 71
Raider 11 rolled 92
Raider 7 rolled 45
Raider 8 rolled 24
Raider 5 rolled 42
Raider Leader rolled 80
Raider 10 rolled 15
Raider 2 rolled 69
Raider 4 rolled 42
Raider 1 rolled 37
Raider 9 rolled 71
Raider 6 rolled 87

Oww.....my head...

Raider 2?

Dan

Raider 2 spent points worth 8.5 raid nights.Won the symbol, crafted one big ****, opened the window and jumped

That last example made it understandable - but anyway i think it's good enough to at least try, when the symbol drops next time...

Just to clarify somat on the loot bit.

Is any distinction made between mains and alts?
I only ask cos if someone has two or three alts then with this system they will always be able to get the rad bits over those who cant raid regularly cos they will always be top of the pile.

For example, Been trying for several weeks to try and get a DN bit to kit the guard out fot the Lt, and despite a few mains needing the bits peeps always log in alts to take em if they are top of the dkp pile. Thats wasted rad when it comes to the next Lt fight, and if the same happens with BG then it will take months to get twelve peeps kited out with enuf rad to do HM.

I appreciate all that dkp was earned by the players, but it seems a wee bit shortsighted when some of ur players are struggling for rad.

I don't know - there are some alts that are frequently asked to raid in BG..

I see your point though.. Maybe we can implement a main/requiredtoraid toon over 'just an alt'... Maybe only for the chest, legs and gloves though.

yeah quicker we can get 12 'mains' kitted out the better.

tru
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first we gotta get 12 mains to the raid

This Mains/ats debate only ever leads to trouble in my experience.
If people are top of the pile it's because they raid regularly.
Why should Johnny the Lm who only has one character ( there fore his main).
Get boosted up the list over Franky the warden (who has come on his "alt" because that was needed more),
if Johnny the Lm only comes to raid once a month anyway, wouldn't it be better to kit out Franky on all his characters, as he's flexible and reliable.
Besides if we keep raiding everyone gets kitted out in the end regardless.

We just need more members at the moment I think.
And maybe a bit of communication, if you need a bit on a class we are lacking regularily say so and we can debate it (should be fun!)

Aye, all true Gem.

But been trying to get my guard a couple of DN pieces for a while, and as the last couple went to alts and im out of dp so he cant come to BG, the raid is short a tank and the rad is left in the bank.

i dont mind how ppl spend there points on a alt or a main, its there points spend them how they wish... as long as the points are awarded to one person.. i.e there nominated "main" then spend them how you please... i would not like to see ppl getting extra points because they bring 2 or even 3 toons to a raid.

As for the 12 mains fully kitted out 1st, its true it would be much better for raiding... but we play this game for "fun" and thats what keeps us together. hard core raiders are not that much "fun" been there bought the T-shirt ...video...book. Personaly if i wanted that i would have joined S brother or Ev

Its a long way off to the next update theres no rush to get it all done last week.

most of us all have jobs or a full home life...we play this to chill out .... i dont want another job.

As is always the case...everyone has valid points.

I don't really want to mess with how the DKP is working, but the more choice we have in characters we can Raid with the better for us all....

I suggest an informal discussion at some point, to see how far some of our toons are off of BG raiding. Then, maybe running a volunteer run into DN, to get specific bits for specific people.....(no DKP involved).


Thought??

The point Im trying to make is, we used to do Rift 2/3 times a week, it was really fun, we used to get ppl Mains kitted out first, I cant quite put my finger on whats different on this expansion, but its just not the same, are ppl just LOTR'd out.

I dont have any answers just observations perhaps the 'new' blood will help out. We could do with a list of what pieces of armor are stopping ppl coming to raids. Like if Rich NEEDS a piece that enables him to come to BG and therefore enables 11 other ppl to go to BG I dont see the harm in 'Promoting' him on DKP just to give him that little boost in place of someones ALT getting it.
(A piece from DN). not BG piece.
Just my opinion. Its not about the loot but some times ppl need the loot to help 11 other ppl play the end game.

In my Humble opinion.

Dn is a gateway armour like it or not.... i would have no problem hlping out somone get the bit they need.

BG as tru has said is a different kettle of fish

chalk me up for the run to get rich the bit he needs... as long as im not stuck at work ill be there as always.

Here are my thoughts.....

I've missed 1 DN run ever (that was supposed to be a DN run - not a backup to a failed BG) and yet i still dont have the chest piece on my champ (main) so it annoys me extremely that i have to give way to alts, because they got lucky on mains and got armour pieces cheaply.

However i fully understand that people at the top of the DKP list deserve to be there due to time & effort put in etc.

Another problem is now that everyone has got the DN pieces for their mains they are "getting bored" of DN. Funny that! And if that wasnt the case we would still be filling raids.

Well, if this is the case....(I'm not convinced it is, tbh....) they are directly affected, because we don't have enough people with the required Radiance to do BG. So if I hear them complaining about sign-ups, I might have a "friendly" word with them...


DN is not too much of a problem to fill a group for, the problems we've had recently are due to people not signing up at all, not specifically a certain raid.


The problem with the Alt argument is this......

Jace is my main, Thalnred is an Alt. But, I have had to make sure that Thalnred has enough so that the group could attempt BG HM runs, not my choice a decision made for the benefit of the group.


It's not about mains and alts, it's about working as a team.....and if we need certain players to get certain items from certain raids, then we are big enough and smart enough to get that arranged.

Let's see how many volunteers we can get....maybe even prove Mudd wrong ;P